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From:	Muge Cevik
Subject:	Re: [GYCA] Uganda: Muslim women back condoms for HIV prevention.....
Sent:	Jan 25th, 2011 - 08:33:04

	I already mentioned the fact that the Kuran prohibts pre-marital sex! But it does not imply that using condom is haram so it can be promoted by religious leaders in line with the limitations of the religion. What I am trying to say is that condoms are NOT prohibited in Islam, can be used for various reasons (thats what you actually confirmed) except the fact that extramarital sex is not accepted. Best, Muge On 25 January 2011 09:51, omar kigenyi wrote: > Hi all, > > I just wanted to make some clarifications on mr. Muge Cevik's thoughts. His > statement that "There is no limitation about condom use in Islam" is totally > wrong. There are limitations to condom use in islam. Condoms are only > supposed to be used under some circumstances, in any case there are other > methods of birth control or sexual control - in case of HIV or else. > > Circumstances under which condoms can be used should go in line with > questions of; when, on who, are you using the condom? Only to be used when > totally necessary e.g when one of the married partners has HIV, when > avoiding pregnancy if a woman gets adverse complications say during > pregnancy, on birth etc, there condoms can be used. > > BUT condoms can not be used for leissure like to have multiple sexual > partners whether cacual or not legally married > > Omar Kigenyi > Makerere University School of Public Health > > ------------------------------ > From: Muge Cevik > To: Omar Kigenyi > Sent: Tue, 25 January, 2011 0:40:11 > Subject: Re: [GYCA] Uganda: Muslim women back condoms for HIV > prevention..... > > Hi, > > I do share the same thoughts with Basheer at some point! But i dont think > that a Muslim religious leader cannot talk about condom. Because its one of > the pregnancy control methods, and also contraception in general is an > accepted fact in Muslim as far as I know. > > There is no limitation about condom use in Islam at all. And if there is > any, they are more likely the various wrongly misinterpretations of the > Kuran. If you say that when a religious leader promotes condom for HIV > prevention it directly means accepting extramarital sex. I do have to > oppose > it totally. We cannot interpret it like that. > > > BW, > > --------- > Muge Cevik,MD, MSc STIs and HIV > Regional Focal Point for Western Europe > Global Youth Coalition on HIV/AIDS > > e-mail: muge (at) gyca.org > TIG: mugecevik > GSM: +44 (0) 7531993677 > www.tigweb.org \| www.gyca.org > > Chelsea and Westminster Hospital > 369, Fulham Road, London, SW10 9NH > > GYCA is a youth-led global network of more than 4,500 young leaders and > adult allies working on youth and HIV and AIDS in 150 countries worldwide. > GYCA's mission is to empower young leaders with the skills, knowledge, > resources and opportunities they need to scale up HIV and AIDS > interventions > amongst their peers. > > > > On 22 January 2011 00:13, Basheer Rahmoun wrote: > > > Dear Gyca members, > > > > Thank you for sharing this story from Uganda, however; I do not believe > > that > > religion has anything to do with HIV prevention. > > > > I do not think that any Muslim leader will advocate for condom use as a > > protective method against HIV, because that means he accept the fact that > > people have extra marital sex (which is forbidden by Islam) > > > > As for polygamy , it is not that common, and leaders assume that people > > undergo tests before marriage. > > > > From the way the story was presented, I got the sense that some muslim > > religious leaders are against condom, which I dont believe is true. They > > > are doing their part by advocating for abstinence and faithfulness, and > > there are other partners doing their other part by promoting condom use, > > and > > they both complete each other. > > > > One final note, abstinence and faithfulness is still the 100% protective > > method against HIV, and that lady who is buying condom for her husband is > > still putting herself on a higher risk to catch the virus. > > > > I totally support this new project in Uganda, I just wanted to clarify > that > > neither Islam nor any other religion has anything to do with HIV > > protection. > > > > Good Luck my friends in Uganda > > > > Basheer Rahmoun, MD > > > > Syria > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Adeyemo Gabriel wrote: > > > > > Date: 12 January 2011 > > > Source: IRIN PlusNews > > > http://www.plusnews.org/report.aspx?Reportid=91606 > > > > > > My fellow Advocate, > > > This is an interesting article for you to read a story of a muslim > woman > > > who advices her husband not to stop having extra-marital sex but should > > be > > > careful and uses a condom. This was her comment..."I buy them [condoms] > > for > > > him and place them where he can easily see them so that in case he > wants > > to > > > go out with other women, he can use them"...... > > > > > > Some Muslim women in western Uganda are demanding that a new HIV > > prevention > > > programme for Muslims include condom promotion, going against calls by > > local > > > religious leaders for the programme to be limited to messages on > > > faithfulness and abstinence. "The holy Koran allows Muslim men to marry > > four > > > wives, but men still go out of wedlock and have extra-marital > > > relationships," Jazira Mugisa told IRIN/PlusNews. Mugisa said the money > > from > > > the new project should be used to sensitize men on the use of condoms. > > > > > > The four-year programme, localized to the western Ugandan district of > > > Kasese and funded by the US Agency for International Development, is to > > be > > > led by the Uganda Muslim Supreme Council. Local Muslim leaders have > > called > > > for the funds -- an estimated US$43,000 -- to be used to promote > fidelity > > > within marriage and abstinence among unmarried people. Uganda's > national > > HIV > > > prevention programme -- which targets all sections of society -- > > emphasizes > > > abstinence, faithfulness and the correct and consistent use of condoms. > > > > > > Please click on the link above to read full article. > > > > > > Many Thanks > > > Yours' in Prevention Science > > > > > > Adeyemo Gabriel > > > Moderator: Students' for Microbicides (S4M), Nigeria > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > -www.gyca.org- > > > > > > E-Group Webpage (manage your settings, see message archives, etc): > > > http://groups.takingitglobal.org/gyca > > > Send a message: gyca (at) groups.takingitglobal.org > > > Subscribe: gyca-subscribe (at) groups.takingitglobal.org > > > Unsubscribe: gyca-unsubscribe (at) groups.takingitglobal.org > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > > > * Powered By TIG Groups http://groups.takingitglobal.org/ > > > * Group Archives: http://groups.takingitglobal.org/GYCA/messages/ > > > * To unsubscribe, email GYCA-unsubscribe (at) groups.takingitglobal.org > > > * My subscription settings, GYCA-settings (at) groups.takingitglobal.org > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you > really > > need to > > > > -- --------- Muge Cevik,MD, MSc STIs and HIV Regional Focal Point for Western Europe Global Youth Coalition on HIV/AIDS e-mail: muge (at) gyca.org TIG: mugecevik GSM: +44 (0) 7531993677 www.tigweb.org \| www.gyca.org Chelsea and Westminster Hospital 369, Fulham Road, London, SW10 9NH GYCA is a youth-led global network of more than 4,500 young leaders and adult allies working on youth and HIV and AIDS in 150 countries worldwide. GYCA's mission is to empower young leaders with the skills, knowledge, resources and opportunities they need to scale up HIV and AIDS interventions amongst their peers.